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[INDISTINCT MUTED CHATTER]

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GOOD MORNING.

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OH. HEY. MORNING.

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EVERYONE'S GATHERED.
WE'RE ALL READY IF YOU ARE.

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YEAH, LET'S DO IT.

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YOU NEED THAT?

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OH. HEY, UH,

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LISTEN, AARON...

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THANKS FOR LETTING ME
SET THIS UP.

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BUT THE WHOLE TEAM REALLY
DIDN'T NEED TO BE HERE.

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I'M THE ONE
THAT OWED THE FAVOR.

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EVERYONE INSISTED.

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HOW YOU DOING?

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SORRY--WHAT?

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YOU OK?

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OH, YEAH, YEAH.
NO, I'M GREAT.

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I'M GOOD. UH...

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I'LL MEET YOU OVER THERE
IN A MINUTE, OK?

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Woman: IT'S RARE
THAT AN UNDERGRADUATE
CRIMINOLOGY CLASS

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GETS GUEST SPEAKERS
OF THIS CALIBER.

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BUT TODAY
WE'RE SPECIALLY FORTUNATE.

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I'D LIKE TO WELCOME
AN OLD FRIEND,

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ESTEEMED AUTHOR
AND FBI AGENT DAVID ROSSI,

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AND HIS TEAM,
THE BEHAVIORAL ANALYSIS UNIT.

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NOW, THEY'VE AGREED
TO SPEND AN HOUR
OF THEIR VALUABLE TIME

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TALKING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO
AND HOW THEY DO IT.

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SO LET'S MAKE THEM
FEEL WELCOME.

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[APPLAUSE]

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THANK YOU, DR. GRANT.

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NOW, WHEN SHE SAID
I WAS AN OLD FRIEND,

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SHE WAS JUST REFERRING
TO THE FACT

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THAT WE'VE KNOWN EACH OTHER
FOR A VERY LONG TIME.

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[LAUGHTER]

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NOW, AS THE GOOD
PROFESSOR SAID,

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I AM SUPERVISORY
SPECIAL AGENT ROSSI.

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THESE ARE SSAs JAREAU,

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PRENTISS,

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HOTCHNER, AND MORGAN.

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THIS IS DR. SPENCER REID.

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AND ON KEYBOARDS TODAY
WE HAVE
OUR TECHNICAL ANALYST

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MS. PENELOPE GARCIA.

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HI.

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NOW, IN SIMPLE TERMS,

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AT THE BAU WE USE
BEHAVIORAL SCIENCE,

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RESEARCH, CASEWORK,
AND TRAINING

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TO HUNT DOWN MONSTERS.

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RAPISTS, TERRORISTS,

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PEDOPHILES,

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AND OUR SPECIALTY,

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SERIAL KILLERS.

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DOES ANYBODY HERE
KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT A SERIAL KILLER IS?

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SOMEONE WHO'S COMMITTED
MORE THAN ONE MURDER.

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THAT'S VERY GOOD.

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BY STATUTE,
3 IS THE MAGIC NUMBER.

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AND IT'S ACTUALLY
MORE QUALITATIVE
THAN QUANTITATIVE FOR US.

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AND TODAY WE'RE GOING
TO TALK ABOUT HOW SOME
SERIAL KILLERS GET MADE.

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BECAUSE IF YOU CAN
UNDERSTAND THAT,

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THEN YOU CAN FIGURE OUT
A WAY TO CATCH THEM.

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GARCIA.

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MY LIEGE.

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OK, THIS IS RACHEL MOORE,

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A 17-YEAR-OLD RUNAWAY
FROM SPOKANE, WASHINGTON.

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NOW, SHE GREW UP POOR
AND IN A BROKEN HOME.

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HER MOM LEFT HER DAD
BECAUSE HE LIKED TO DRINK
AND BEAT ON HER.

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AND THIS IS TINA DYSON,

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A 19-YEAR-OLD COLLEGE
STUDENT FROM SEATTLE.

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Rossi: NOW, SHE WAS
A TRUST FUND KID,

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AND SHE GOT STRAIGHT As
AND CAME FROM A LOVING FAMILY.

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NOW, THESE TWO GIRLS
COULDN'T BE ANY MORE DIFFERENT.

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BUT THE ONE THING
THAT THEY HAD IN COMMON

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IS THEY BOTH CROSSED PATHS
WITH THE MOST PROLIFIC
SERIAL KILLER

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THE BAU HAS EVER SEEN.

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ONE THING YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND
IS THAT NO TWO KILLERS
ARE THE SAME.

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THEY EACH OCCUPY THEIR OWN POINT
ON THE BEHAVIORAL SPECTRUM.

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GENETICS, BRAIN CHEMISTRY,
PSYCHOLOGY, AND ENVIRONMENT

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ARE ALL FACTORS.

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BUT WE BELIEVE THAT
THIS PARTICULAR KILLER

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GREW UP IN AN ENVIRONMENT
SO ADVERSE

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THAT HE NEVER HAD A CHANCE.

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BASTARD!

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Prentiss: HE ENDURED
YEARS OF CRUEL AND ABJECT
PHYSICAL ABUSE.

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Hotch: AS WELL AS HORRIBLY
PROFOUND PSYCHOLOGICAL ABUSE.

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NO. NO!

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Morgan: WHEN HE WASN'T
BEING IGNORED,
HE WAS BEING HUMILIATED.

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LET ME IN!

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LET ME IN! LET ME IN!
PLEASE!

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NOW LET ME BE CLEAR.

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MOST ABUSED KIDS DO NOT
TURN INTO KILLERS.

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NOT EVEN ALL PSYCHOPATHS
BECOME KILLERS.

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BUT THIS PARTICULAR
UNKNOWN SUBJECT,

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OR UNSUB,

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SUFFERED EXTREME ABUSE,

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AND IT HAS EVERYTHING TO DO
WITH WHY HE DOES WHAT HE DOES.

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NOW, THESE ARE SOME
OF HIS VICTIMS.

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HE KIDNAPPED THEM,
HE RESTRAINED THEM,

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AND HE STARVED THEM
FOR DAYS.

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THEN HE KILLED THEM
BY MUTILATING
THEIR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS.

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RIGHT NOW WE KNOW THERE ARE
AT LEAST 40 OF THEM.

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BUT WE BELIEVE THAT
HE MAY EVENTUALLY
CLAIM OVER 100 VICTIMS.

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NOW, WE CHOSE THIS CASE
FOR TODAY

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BECAUSE WE'VE BEEN
DISCOVERING BODIES

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UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST
SINCE 1992.

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FOR LACK OF A BETTER WORD,

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IT'S A CLASSIC.

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THIS UNSUB'S ENTIRE CHILDHOOD

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WAS A CRUCIBLE,

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AND IN IT, A PSYCHOTIC
KILLER WAS FORGED.

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Rossi: THE PHILOSOPHER
VOLTAIRE WROTE,

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"TO THE LIVING WE OWE RESPECT,
BUT TO THE DEAD

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WE OWE ONLY THE TRUTH."

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THE DEAD ARE THE CORNERSTONE
OF EVERY HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION.

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VICTIMS GIVE US A LOOK
INTO THE KILLER'S MIND.

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IF YOU WANT TO KNOW
ABOUT A HUNTER,

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STUDY HIS PREY.

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OK, SO THE UNSUB'S
FIRST VICTIMS

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WERE DISCOVERED TWO WEEKS APART

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IN 1992 IN SEATTLE.

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THE FIRST VICTIM THAT WAS FOUND
WAS RACHEL MOORE.

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SHE WAS THE RUNAWAY.

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HER BODY HAD BEEN THROWN
INTO A DUMPSTER IN AN ALLEY.

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THE MEDICAL EXAMINER SAID
THAT SHE WAS VERY MALNOURISHED

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AND REALLY DEHYDRATED.

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JJ: THE LIGATURE MARKS
ON HER WRISTS AND ANKLES

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MADE IT APPARENT THAT SHE'D
BEEN RESTRAINED FOR DAYS.

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HE HELD HER,
BUT HE DIDN'T FEED HER.

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SO SHE'S WEAK.

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IT'S HIS SADISTIC WAY
TO SUBDUE HER.

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SEVERAL DEFENSIVE WOUNDS
ON HER HANDS AND FOREARMS.

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SHE PUT UP
A HELL OF A FIGHT.

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THAT A GIRL.

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53 STAB WOUNDS TO THE LOWER
ABDOMEN AND GENITALS.

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THE DAMAGE MADE IT
IMPOSSIBLE TO DETERMINE

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IF THERE WAS
ANY SEXUAL ASSAULT.

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THAT MIGHT BE A FORENSIC
COUNTERMEASURE.

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HERE'S MY REPORT.

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STAY AS LONG AS YOU NEED.

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HER MOTHER SHOULD BE HERE
IN AN HOUR.

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A HELL OF A WAY TO SEE HER
AFTER 2 YEARS.

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Prentiss: 53 STAB WOUNDS.
THAT'S A LOT OF WORK.

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DOES ANYONE WANT TO TELL ME
WHAT THEY THINK THAT MEANS?

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HATRED?

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FRUSTRATION.

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HE'S ANGRY.

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YOU'RE ALL CORRECT.
IT'S CALLED OVERKILL.

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TYPICALLY IT MEANS
THE MURDER WAS PERSONAL
SOMEHOW.

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THAT, OR THE UNSUB
IS PSYCHOTIC

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AND/OR PRONE TO
VIOLENT OUTBURSTS.

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[CELL PHONE RINGS]

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THE OVERKILL MAY ALSO SHOW
HIS INEXPERIENCE.

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THIS WAS PROBABLY
HIS FIRST KILL,

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AND HE WAS FEELING
HIS WAY THROUGH IT,
WORKING OUT HIS M.O.

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BUT THERE'S A LOT ABOUT
RACHEL THAT TELLS US
ABOUT THE UNSUB.

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SHE WAS YOUNG,
SO MOST LIKELY HE WAS, TOO.

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Male student:
WHAT MAKES YOU THINK THAT?

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SHE LIVED IN A SHELTER
AND HAD A PART-TIME JOB,

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SO SHE WAS A STREET KID,

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BUT NOT NECESSARILY
THE RECKLESS TYPE.

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SHE WOULDN'T JUST
GO OFF WITH ANYONE.

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YEAH, WARDEN, IT'S ROSSI.

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WHAT?

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RIOT?

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W-W-W-WAIT.

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LOOK, HE'S NOT GONNA
GIVE ME A RAIN CHECK.

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I HAVE TO SEE HIM TODAY.

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SO THE UNSUB MAYBE
LURED HER WITH A RUSE

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OR HE BLITZ ATTACKED HER,
HE TOOK HER BY SURPRISE.

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NOW, EITHER ONE OF THESE
WOULD BE EASIER
IF YOU WERE YOUNG.

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YOU CAN TELL ALL THAT
FROM JUST ONE VICTIM?

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I'D SAY IT WAS TWO WEEKS
LATER WHEN WE FOUND
THE SECOND VICTIM

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THAT WE STARTED
TO PIECE THAT TOGETHER.

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TINA DYSON WAS HOME
FOR THE SUMMER
WHEN SHE DISAPPEARED.

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HER BODY WAS FOUND
IN A SHALLOW GRAVE
JUST OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE.

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BUT IT WAS ACTUALLY
HER ABDUCTION SITE

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THAT GAVE US THE ANSWERS
WE NEEDED.

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[LAUGHING]

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Morgan: TINA AND TWO
OF HER FRIENDS HAD FAKE I.D.s

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AND THEY DECIDED TO GO
TO A LOCAL GRUNGE BAR.

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Prentiss: BUT THEY DRANK
TOO MUCH AND TINA GOT SICK,

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SO WHILE ONE FRIEND
WAS INSIDE DANCING,

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THE OTHER WENT OUT
TO HOLD TINA'S HAIR.

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IT'S ALL RIGHT.
COME ON.

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[RETCHING]

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I'M GONNA GO GET JANICE, OK?
WE'RE GOING HOME.

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OHH...GOOD, YEAH.

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[MOANING]

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OHH...OHH...

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Man: YOU OK?

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YEAH. JEEZ,
WHAT ARE YOU, A NINJA?

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WHERE'D YOU COME FROM?

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SO HIS ANGER IS OBVIOUSLY
DIRECTED AT WOMEN.

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YES, BUT THE REAL
QUESTION IS WHY,

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AND THE WHY IS WHAT ALWAYS
LEADS US TO THE WHO.

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I NEED TO TALK TO YOU.

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JJ: HE WAS ATTACKING
THEIR GENITALS
AND REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS.

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WHY?

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WAS HE IMPOTENT

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AND HATES THE THING
THAT HE CAN'T HAVE?

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DID HIS WIFE OR GIRLFRIEND
ABORT A CHILD?

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IT'S A FEDERAL PRISON, DAVE.
WE CAN'T JUST CALL THEM UP
AND TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.

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YOU HAVE TO KNOW SOMEONE
IN JUSTICE WHO CAN
PULL SOME STRINGS.

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I'VE GOT TO SEE HIM TODAY,
AARON. YOU KNOW THAT.

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THE POSSIBILITIES
ARE ENDLESS.

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AND THE UNSUB WAS FIGURING
IT ALL OUT FOR HIMSELF, TOO.

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WE KNOW THAT BECAUSE
HE WAS EVOLVING.

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HE STARTED WITH A RUNAWAY,
A VICTIM WITH
A HIGH-RISK LIFESTYLE.

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HE PROBABLY KNEW
THAT HER ABDUCTION
WOULD GO UNREPORTED.

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JJ: THEN HE UPPED
HIS GAME AND GRABBED
A COLLEGE GIRL,

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WHICH MEANT MORE RISK
FOR HIMSELF.

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Reid: HE DUMPED HIS FIRST VICTIM
RACHEL IN AN ALLEY,

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BUT HE TOOK THE TIME
TO BURY TINA,

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WHICH SUGGESTS HE FELT
MORE CONNECTED TO HER

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AND PERHAPS HE EVEN
FELT REMORSE.

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DID YOU EVER
CATCH THIS GUY?

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UH, WHAT'S YOUR NAME,
YOUNG MAN?

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DAVID ZIMMERMAN.

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DON'T INTERRUPT, ZIMMERMAN.

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[LAUGHTER]

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NOW, WE, UH, WE KNEW
WE NEEDED TO WARN THE PUBLIC,

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SO WE CONTACTED THE MEDIA,
PAPERS, LOCAL NEWS.

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THAT WAS BACK BEFORE
THE INTERNET EXPLODED.

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AND THEN, AS WILL HAPPEN
FROM TIME TO TIME,

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00:10:54,788 --> 00:10:56,757
THE CASE WENT COMPLETELY COLD.

223
00:10:56,790 --> 00:11:01,428
WE DIDN'T HEAR FROM HIM
AGAIN UNTIL 1997.

224
00:11:01,461 --> 00:11:07,434
TWO BODIES WERE FOUND
IN GOLDEN GATE PARK,
IN SAN FRANCISCO.

225
00:11:07,467 --> 00:11:08,802
SAME M.O.

226
00:11:08,836 --> 00:11:11,772
EVIDENTLY OUR GUY.

227
00:11:16,443 --> 00:11:18,311
EXCUSE ME, I'M LOOKING
FOR THE CASE AGENT.

228
00:11:18,345 --> 00:11:21,214
THAT WOULD BE ME.
AGENT ROSSI,
I'M AGENT HOTCHNER,

229
00:11:21,248 --> 00:11:22,682
SEATTLE DIVISION.
WE SPOKE ON THE PHONE.

230
00:11:22,716 --> 00:11:26,286
UH, I INHERITED THE CASE
FROM AGENT BIDWELL.
THANKS FOR COMING SO QUICKLY.

231
00:11:26,319 --> 00:11:28,355
YEAH, I HOPPED THE FIRST
FLIGHT FROM DULLES.

232
00:11:28,388 --> 00:11:29,923
CAME STRAIGHT FROM
THE AIRPORT.

233
00:11:29,957 --> 00:11:31,925
WITH BAD FOOD.
THAT'S A LONG TRIP.

234
00:11:31,959 --> 00:11:33,060
LET ME SHOW YOU
WHAT WE FOUND.

235
00:11:33,093 --> 00:11:35,462
A JOGGER DISCOVERED
THE FIRST BODY
DUMPED IN THE BUSHES

236
00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,430
ABOUT 30 YARDS
OVER THE ROAD HERE.

237
00:11:37,464 --> 00:11:39,900
THE M.E. SAID THAT
SHE'D BEEN THERE
ALMOST A MONTH.

238
00:11:39,933 --> 00:11:41,134
ANY CRITTERS GET TO HER?

239
00:11:41,168 --> 00:11:43,403
WE HAD TO USE DENTAL
RECORDS TO IDENTIFY HER.
WATCH YOUR STEP.

240
00:11:43,436 --> 00:11:44,571
SO WE DID A SEARCH
OF THE AREA

241
00:11:44,604 --> 00:11:47,440
AND WE DISCOVERED
THE SECOND BODY
IN THIS SHALLOW GRAVE.

242
00:11:47,474 --> 00:11:49,042
SHE'D BEEN HERE
LESS THAN A WEEK.

243
00:11:49,076 --> 00:11:52,345
SO, HE DUMPED THE FIRST ONE
AND BURIED THE SECOND.

244
00:11:52,379 --> 00:11:54,347
JUST LIKE HE DID IN '92.

245
00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:56,083
THE FIRST VICTIM--
WAS SHE A RUNAWAY?

246
00:11:56,116 --> 00:11:58,418
25-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE
AND CRACK ADDICT.

247
00:11:58,451 --> 00:11:59,753
THE SECOND?

248
00:11:59,787 --> 00:12:01,054
A 27-YEAR-OLD
MOTHER OF TWO.

249
00:12:01,088 --> 00:12:04,457
BOTH WOMEN HAD HAD
THEIR REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS
COMPLETELY REMOVED.

250
00:12:04,491 --> 00:12:06,493
NOT JUST MANGLED.
HE'S EVOLVING.

251
00:12:06,526 --> 00:12:08,829
SOUNDS LIKE HE'S MOVING
MORE TOWARD RITUAL.

252
00:12:08,862 --> 00:12:10,798
AND APPARENTLY HE'S NOT
LOCKED INTO AN AGE PREFERENCE.

253
00:12:10,831 --> 00:12:13,934
THE VICTIMS SEEM TO BE
AGING ALONG WITH HIM.

254
00:12:13,967 --> 00:12:15,035
WHAT ABOUT STOMACH CONTENTS?

255
00:12:15,068 --> 00:12:17,470
THE VICTIMS WERE DEHYDRATED
AND HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS.

256
00:12:17,504 --> 00:12:20,507
MY GUESS IS HE HASN'T BEEN
BACK IN SEATTLE IN A WHILE.

257
00:12:20,540 --> 00:12:21,842
WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?

258
00:12:21,875 --> 00:12:24,377
HE NEEDS SOMEPLACE PRIVATE
TO HOLD THEM.

259
00:12:24,411 --> 00:12:25,245
HE MIGHT LIVE CLOSE.

260
00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:27,414
DUMPING A BODY
IN A PUBLIC PARK IS RISKY.

261
00:12:27,447 --> 00:12:30,517
IT TELLS ME THAT
HE'S COMFORTABLE, SETTLED IN.

262
00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:35,522
HE MIGHT EVEN HAVE CHOSEN
THIS SPOT TO BE ABLE TO COME
BACK AND RELIVE THE KILLS.

263
00:12:35,555 --> 00:12:37,490
YOU'VE DONE YOUR HOMEWORK,
AGENT.

264
00:12:37,524 --> 00:12:40,293
5 YEARS IS A LONG TIME
TO BE DORMANT.

265
00:12:40,327 --> 00:12:41,561
HE WASN'T DORMANT.

266
00:12:41,594 --> 00:12:46,066
A KILLER THAT VICIOUS
IS LIKE A DRUG ADDICT
THAT NEEDS A FIX.

267
00:12:46,099 --> 00:12:48,568
Hotch: WE WERE FAIRLY CERTAIN
THAT HE HAD KEPT ON KILLING.

268
00:12:48,601 --> 00:12:50,437
WE JUST HADN'T
FOUND THE BODIES YET.

269
00:12:50,470 --> 00:12:52,973
Rossi: NOW, WE KNEW
THAT BACK IN '92

270
00:12:53,006 --> 00:12:55,375
WHEN THE MEDIA WENT WIDE
WITH THE STORY,

271
00:12:55,408 --> 00:13:01,014
OUR UNSUB GOT SPOOKED
AND HE DISAPPEARED.

272
00:13:02,049 --> 00:13:04,551
SO WE TRIED TO GET
IN FRONT OF IT,

273
00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:07,487
MEANING THAT IF WE COULD
CONTROL THE SPREAD
OF INFORMATION,

274
00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,457
WE MIGHT BE ABLE
TO KEEP THE UNSUB
FROM FLEEING AGAIN.

275
00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,292
BUT BACK THEN
THE BAU WAS STILL YOUNG.

276
00:13:12,325 --> 00:13:15,462
WE DIDN'T HAVE
PRESS LIAISONS
OR TECHNICAL ANALYSTS.

277
00:13:15,495 --> 00:13:21,134
Hotch: AND BY THE TIME
WE CONTACTED THE MEDIA,
THE STORY HAD ALREADY BROKEN.

278
00:13:25,605 --> 00:13:27,841
TV narrator: A SYMBOL
OF THE AMERICAN WEST--

279
00:13:27,875 --> 00:13:29,109
A LONE COYOTE HUNTS
FOR PREY.

280
00:13:29,142 --> 00:13:32,545
AGENT ROSSI, ARE YOU
MAKING ANY PROGRESS
IN THE INVESTIGATION?

281
00:13:32,579 --> 00:13:33,246
QUITE A BIT, YES.

282
00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:35,883
SO DO YOU HAVE
ANY SOLID LEADS?

283
00:13:35,916 --> 00:13:36,716
SEVERAL.

284
00:13:36,749 --> 00:13:38,118
AGENT ROSSI, CAN YOU
CONFIRM THE RUMORS

285
00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:41,088
THAT THE WOMB RAIDER
DISEMBOWELS HIS VICTIMS?

286
00:13:41,121 --> 00:13:41,989
EXCUSE ME?

287
00:13:42,022 --> 00:13:43,523
CAN YOU CONFIRMS
THE RUMORS THAT THE WOMB--

288
00:13:43,556 --> 00:13:45,425
OH, I'LL CONFIRM
SOMETHING FOR YOU.

289
00:13:45,458 --> 00:13:48,028
WOMB RAIDER IS A NAME
THAT YOU GAVE HIM.

290
00:13:48,061 --> 00:13:50,297
I WON'T GLORIFY HIM.
I CALL HIM A MURDERER.

291
00:13:50,330 --> 00:13:52,465
THEN EXACTLY HOW
IS HE KILLING THEM?

292
00:13:52,499 --> 00:13:54,434
MY ONLY CONCERN
IS CAPTURING HIM

293
00:13:54,467 --> 00:13:57,637
AND BRINGING CLOSURE
TO THE FAMILIES
OF THE VICTIMS.

294
00:13:57,670 --> 00:13:59,907
NO FURTHER QUESTIONS.

295
00:14:00,507 --> 00:14:03,543
[CHUCKLING]

296
00:14:09,416 --> 00:14:10,250
"WOMB RAIDER."

297
00:14:10,283 --> 00:14:13,887
I HOPED THE NICKNAME
WOULD EMBOLDEN HIM.

298
00:14:13,921 --> 00:14:18,425
THOUGHT MAYBE
HE WOULD ESCALATE
AND TRIP ON HIS OWN HUBRIS.

299
00:14:18,458 --> 00:14:20,460
BUT, UM, THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN.

300
00:14:20,493 --> 00:14:23,396
UNFORTUNATELY,
HE VANISHED JUST LIKE
HE'D DONE BEFORE

301
00:14:23,430 --> 00:14:24,932
AND THE TRAIL
WENT COLD AGAIN.

302
00:14:24,965 --> 00:14:25,933
WE DID EVERYTHING WE COULD.

303
00:14:25,966 --> 00:14:29,036
WE HAD EVERY DIVISION
UP AND DOWN THE WEST COAST

304
00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:31,204
SCOURING
MISSING PERSON REPORTS.

305
00:14:31,238 --> 00:14:35,075
A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES,
BUT NO CLEAR HITS.

306
00:14:35,108 --> 00:14:37,945
IN THE MEANTIME,
AGENT ROSSI RETIRED,

307
00:14:37,978 --> 00:14:39,612
BUT THE BAU GREW.

308
00:14:39,646 --> 00:14:41,614
WE TRAINED MORE PROFILERS,

309
00:14:41,648 --> 00:14:44,317
HIRED TECH ANALYSTS,
PRESS LIAISONS,

310
00:14:44,351 --> 00:14:46,353
AND WE EVEN GOT
OUR OWN RESIDENT GENIUS.

311
00:14:46,386 --> 00:14:48,488
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU.

312
00:14:48,521 --> 00:14:50,490
[LAUGHTER]

313
00:14:50,523 --> 00:14:53,160
AGENT ROSSI,
WHY DID YOU RETIRE?

314
00:14:53,593 --> 00:14:55,428
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.

315
00:14:55,462 --> 00:14:58,565
WELL, THE SIMPLE ANSWER
IS I NEEDED A CHANGE.

316
00:14:58,598 --> 00:15:01,468
I WAS WORKING ON MY
THIRD DIVORCE, AND...

317
00:15:01,501 --> 00:15:02,102
THIRD?

318
00:15:02,135 --> 00:15:04,571
YES, ZIMMERMAN,
MY THIRD.

319
00:15:04,604 --> 00:15:05,605
[LAUGHTER]

320
00:15:05,638 --> 00:15:07,640
SO I NEEDED A BREAK,
AND I FIGURED
WRITING BOOKS

321
00:15:07,674 --> 00:15:10,410
MIGHT HELP GIVE ME
SOME PEACE OF MIND.

322
00:15:10,443 --> 00:15:13,513
DID IT?
GIVE YOU PEACE OF MIND?

323
00:15:13,546 --> 00:15:14,881
FOR A TIME, YES.

324
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:18,651
IN 2005, WE GOT ANOTHER HIT
ON THE UNSUB,
THIS TIME IN LOS ANGELES.

325
00:15:18,685 --> 00:15:21,621
WE KNEW IT WAS HIM
BECAUSE OF HIS SIGNATURE.

326
00:15:21,654 --> 00:15:22,522
SORRY, WHAT'S A SIGNATURE?

327
00:15:22,555 --> 00:15:24,624
IT'S A RARE COMBINATION
OF M.O. AND RITUAL

328
00:15:24,657 --> 00:15:27,694
THAT ALLOWS US
TO LINK CASES OVER TIME
AND GEOGRAPHIC DISTANCES.

329
00:15:27,727 --> 00:15:30,663
HER NAME WAS LANA COOPER.
SHE WAS A 33-YEAR-OLD
PROSTITUTE.

330
00:15:30,697 --> 00:15:35,068
HER BODY WAS FOUND
BY A BOY WALKING HIS DOG
IN GRIFFITH PARK.

331
00:15:35,102 --> 00:15:39,139
LIGATURE MARKS
ON HER WRISTS AND ANKLES.
SHE WAS RESTRAINED.

332
00:15:39,172 --> 00:15:40,573
AND HE GAVE HER
A COMPLETE HYSTERECTOMY.

333
00:15:40,607 --> 00:15:44,544
THE UTERUS, OVARIES,
FALLOPIAN TUBES,
ALL REMOVED.

334
00:15:44,577 --> 00:15:47,580
A LITTLE CRUDE,
BUT HE CUT ALL
THE RIGHT LIGAMENTS.

335
00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:49,349
HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING.

336
00:15:49,382 --> 00:15:50,450
WHAT ABOUT HER THROAT?

337
00:15:50,483 --> 00:15:53,420
THAT WAS DONE POSTMORTEM.
HE CUT OUT HER VOCAL CORDS.

338
00:15:53,453 --> 00:15:55,688
MIGHT BE A SYMBOLIC WAY
OF KEEPING HER SILENT.

339
00:15:55,722 --> 00:15:58,992
SO SHE WAS ALIVE WHEN HE
PERFORMED THE HYSTERECTOMY.

340
00:15:59,026 --> 00:16:00,593
ANYTHING IN HER STOMACH?

341
00:16:00,627 --> 00:16:03,230
DRY AS A BONE.
SHE HADN'T EATEN IN DAYS.

342
00:16:03,263 --> 00:16:04,597
SO HE STARVED HER, TOO.

343
00:16:04,631 --> 00:16:05,432
THAT'S
A PRETTY SPECIFIC M.O.

344
00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:06,733
THIS PROBABLY ISN'T
HIS FIRST VICTIM.

345
00:16:06,766 --> 00:16:09,736
I WONDER IF WE SHOULD BE
LOOKING AT DOCTORS
AND MEDICAL STUDENTS.

346
00:16:09,769 --> 00:16:11,204
IT'S DEFINITELY
NOT HIS FIRST VICTIM.

347
00:16:11,238 --> 00:16:14,307
I DON'T THINK HE'S A DOCTOR
OR A MEDICAL STUDENT.

348
00:16:14,341 --> 00:16:15,575
NO.
CALLING GIDEON?

349
00:16:15,608 --> 00:16:18,578
[CELL PHONE RINGING]
THE FIRST CALL I MADE
WAS TO AGENT ROSSI.

350
00:16:18,611 --> 00:16:19,746
I KNEW HE WAS WRITING HIS BOOK,

351
00:16:19,779 --> 00:16:24,717
BUT I DIDN'T WANT TO START
TO BUILD A PROFILE WITHOUT HIM.

352
00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,687
A PROFILE IS PERSONALITY
AND IDENTIFYING
CHARACTERISTICS

353
00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:32,692
OF THE UNSUB WHICH HELPS
THE INVESTIGATOR NARROW
DOWN THE SUSPECT POOL.

354
00:16:32,725 --> 00:16:34,194
BASICALLY IT'S A BEHAVIORAL
DESCRIPTION

355
00:16:34,227 --> 00:16:37,597
OF THE TYPE OF PERSON
WE THINK THE UNSUB
MIGHT BE.

356
00:16:37,630 --> 00:16:38,698
IT GOES A LITTLE LIKE THIS--

357
00:16:38,731 --> 00:16:40,667
WE WERE LOOKING FOR
A WHITE MALE

358
00:16:40,700 --> 00:16:41,834
IN HIS EARLY TO MID-30s.

359
00:16:41,868 --> 00:16:46,039
Hotch: WE THINK HE WAS
ANTISOCIAL AND HAD LOW
SELF-ESTEEM,

360
00:16:46,073 --> 00:16:47,607
SO HE PROBABLY
KEPT TO HIMSELF.

361
00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:48,941
Prentiss:
BUT HE NEEDED MONEY,

362
00:16:48,975 --> 00:16:53,113
SO HE WAS MOST LIKELY
A DAY LABORER, A JANITOR,
MAYBE A HANDYMAN.

363
00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:54,347
ANYTHING MENIAL
AND TEMPORARY.

364
00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:57,250
Morgan: HE WAS PERSONABLE ENOUGH
TO GET A JOB WHEREVER HE WENT,

365
00:16:57,284 --> 00:17:00,087
BUT UNASSUMING ENOUGH
NOT TO STICK OUT.

366
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:02,155
HE HELD AND RESTRAINED
HIS VICTIMS FOR DAYS,

367
00:17:02,189 --> 00:17:04,491
SO HE WOULD NEED
A CONTAINED SPACE
TO DO THAT.

368
00:17:04,524 --> 00:17:07,660
BUT HE WAS ALSO MOBILE.
THAT MEANT HE HAD
HIS OWN TRANSPORT.

369
00:17:07,694 --> 00:17:09,562
MOST LIKELY A TRUCK
OR A VAN.

370
00:17:09,596 --> 00:17:12,799
JJ: AND WHEN
HE WAS ON THE MOVE
AND NOT SETTLED,

371
00:17:12,832 --> 00:17:13,766
HE PROBABLY LIVED
OUT OF THAT VEHICLE.

372
00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,668
Hotch: WE KNEW HE ALWAYS
STARTED WITH A VICTIM

373
00:17:15,702 --> 00:17:17,537
WHO LIVED A HIGH-RISK
LIFESTYLE,

374
00:17:17,570 --> 00:17:19,439
LIKE A PROSTITUTE
OR A RUNAWAY.

375
00:17:19,472 --> 00:17:22,542
AND THEN HE MOVED ON TO A VICTIM
WITH A LOW-RISK LIFESTYLE.

376
00:17:22,575 --> 00:17:28,481
JJ: SO WE KNEW HIS NEXT KILL
WOULD BE SOMETHING OF
A SOCCER MOM IN HER 30s.

377
00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:32,819
I'M SORRY, BUT WHAT EXACTLY
WAS HE DOING WITH THE ORGANS
HE WAS REMOVING?

378
00:17:32,852 --> 00:17:35,622
WE DIDN'T KNOW.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN
SOME SORT OF FETISH.

379
00:17:35,655 --> 00:17:36,589
RUSSIAN SERIAL KILLER
ANDREI CHIKATILO

380
00:17:36,623 --> 00:17:39,359
ACTUALLY ATE THE UTERUS
OF ONE OF HIS VICTIMS.

381
00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:40,460
OH, MY GOD, EEW.

382
00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:41,661
THIS FOCUS ON
REPRODUCTIVE ORGANS

383
00:17:41,694 --> 00:17:45,698
COULD ALSO INDICATE
A DEEP-SEATED SENSE
OF SELF-LOATHING.

384
00:17:45,732 --> 00:17:48,301
HE MIGHT HAVE HATED
THE FACT THAT HE WAS BORN.

385
00:17:48,335 --> 00:17:50,803
OR HE HAD
SOME SORT OF TRAUMATIC
LIFE-CHANGING EVENT

386
00:17:50,837 --> 00:17:51,671
ASSOCIATED WITH BIRTH.

387
00:17:51,704 --> 00:17:54,574
AND HE COULD HAVE HATED
HIS OWN MOTHER.

388
00:17:54,607 --> 00:17:58,811
THE STRAINED MOTHER-CHILD
RELATIONSHIP IS A HALLMARK
FOR MANY KILLERS.

389
00:17:58,845 --> 00:18:00,213
THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE.

390
00:18:00,247 --> 00:18:01,848
I HATE MYSELF
OR I HATE MY MOTHER,

391
00:18:01,881 --> 00:18:05,652
SO I KILL WOMEN
BY RIPPING OUT THEIR WOMBS?

392
00:18:05,685 --> 00:18:07,787
IT ONLY NEEDS
TO MAKE SENSE TO HIM.

393
00:18:07,820 --> 00:18:10,590
ONE MAN'S LOGIC
IS ANOTHER MAN'S CRAZY.

394
00:18:10,623 --> 00:18:12,725
WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH
THE VOCAL CORDS?

395
00:18:12,759 --> 00:18:13,893
THAT WAS SOMETHING NEW.

396
00:18:13,926 --> 00:18:16,263
WE THOUGHT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN
SYMBOLIC OF HIS OWN SILENCE.

397
00:18:16,296 --> 00:18:18,465
HE WAS RAISED TO BELIEVE
HE WAS WORTHLESS AND UNWANTED,

398
00:18:18,498 --> 00:18:20,433
SO ESSENTIALLY
HE NEVER HAD HIS OWN VOICE.

399
00:18:20,467 --> 00:18:22,735
HIS VICTIMS BECAME
SURROGATES FOR HIS RAGE

400
00:18:22,769 --> 00:18:27,507
AND A MEANS BY WHICH
TO EXACT HIS REVENGE.

401
00:18:27,540 --> 00:18:31,711
[WOMAN WHIMPERING]

402
00:18:37,317 --> 00:18:40,853
WE STAYED IN L.A.
FOR 6 WEEKS
AND WORKED THE CASE.

403
00:18:40,887 --> 00:18:42,789
AND THEN IT WENT COLD,
AGAIN.

404
00:18:42,822 --> 00:18:44,857
NO LOW-RISK SOCCER
MOM TURNED UP,

405
00:18:44,891 --> 00:18:46,426
NO SOCCER MOMS
WENT MISSING.

406
00:18:46,459 --> 00:18:47,760
THEN OUR RESOURCES
WERE EXHAUSTED,

407
00:18:47,794 --> 00:18:50,497
WE HAD OTHER CASES,
SO WE WERE FORCED
TO LEAVE.

408
00:18:50,530 --> 00:18:53,333
BUT I RENTED A HOUSE
IN THE HOLLYWOOD HILLS

409
00:18:53,366 --> 00:18:55,335
AND DECIDED TO FINISH
MY BOOK OUT THERE.

410
00:18:55,368 --> 00:19:01,241
I FIGURED IF I WAS CLOSE
I COULD LEND A HAND
IF SOMETHING HAPPENED.

411
00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:05,278
3 MONTHS I STAYED AND NOTHING.

412
00:19:06,913 --> 00:19:09,682
NOW, IN THE PAST
HE PACKED UP AND MOVED

413
00:19:09,716 --> 00:19:12,285
WHEN THE STORY BROKE
AND WE GOT TOO CLOSE.

414
00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:14,454
BUT THIS TIME
THE MEDIA WAS QUIET.

415
00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:18,658
THE VICTIM WAS A HOOKER
NOBODY CARED ABOUT.

416
00:19:18,691 --> 00:19:20,393
SO, WHAT DROVE HIM UNDER?

417
00:19:20,427 --> 00:19:23,863
IT WOULD BE 4 YEARS
BEFORE WE GOT
ANOTHER BREAK.

418
00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:29,536
NOT TOO LONG AFTER,
I CAME OUT OF RETIREMENT.

419
00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:33,573
WHAT?

420
00:19:33,606 --> 00:19:35,742
ROCHELLE JENKINS,
A 40-YEAR-OLD PROSTITUTE

421
00:19:35,775 --> 00:19:37,310
WAS FOUND DUMPED
IN AN ALLEY IN SEATTLE.

422
00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:39,346
SHE WAS GIVEN
A COMPLETE HYSTERECTOMY.

423
00:19:39,379 --> 00:19:42,382
HER VOCAL CORDS
WERE CUT OUT, TOO.

424
00:19:42,415 --> 00:19:44,417
HE'S BACK WHERE HE GOT STARTED.

425
00:19:44,451 --> 00:19:47,820
HE'LL BE ON THE HUNT
FOR A LOW-RISK VICTIM
IN HER 40s NEXT.

426
00:19:47,854 --> 00:19:50,890
[SIGHS] I WONDER
WHAT BROUGHT HIM HOME.

427
00:19:50,923 --> 00:19:53,293
IT'S A LONG TRIP.
WE SHOULD GET GOING.

428
00:19:53,326 --> 00:19:56,363
Rossi: BUT THIS TIME
WE WERE READY FOR HIM.

429
00:19:56,396 --> 00:19:58,298
WE WANTED TO USE THE PRESS
TO OUR ADVANTAGE.

430
00:19:58,331 --> 00:20:02,302
SO WE CAME UP
WITH WHAT'S CALLED
A TARGETED MEDIA STRATEGY.

431
00:20:02,335 --> 00:20:04,671
Reporter: AGENT, IS IT TRUE
YOU HAVE A SUSPECT IN CUSTODY?

432
00:20:04,704 --> 00:20:05,838
YES, HE'S BEING
QUESTIONED AS WE SPEAK.

433
00:20:05,872 --> 00:20:08,841
Second reporter:
CAN YOU TELL US
HOW YOU APPREHENDED HIM?

434
00:20:08,875 --> 00:20:12,479
WITH GOOD POLICE WORK,
ESPECIALLY FROM THE SEATTLE P.D.

435
00:20:12,512 --> 00:20:13,913
AND THE WASHINGTON STATE PATROL.

436
00:20:13,946 --> 00:20:16,916
IS IT TRUE THAT THE KILLER'S
BEEN ON THE LOOSE
SINCE THE EARLY NINETIES?

437
00:20:16,949 --> 00:20:19,819
THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN,
BUT WE DO BELIEVE

438
00:20:19,852 --> 00:20:21,020
WE CAN LINK HIM
TO SEVERAL MURDERS.

439
00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:23,656
THANK YOU. NOW,
IF YOU'LL EXCUSE US,
WE'VE GOT WORK TO DO.

440
00:20:23,690 --> 00:20:24,791
SO YOU DID CATCH HIM.

441
00:20:24,824 --> 00:20:29,762
NO. BUT WE WANTED HIM
TO THINK WE CAUGHT
THE WRONG GUY.

442
00:20:29,796 --> 00:20:30,597
WHY?

443
00:20:30,630 --> 00:20:31,964
TO GIVE HIM A FALSE
SENSE OF SECURITY.

444
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:35,935
IF HE THINKS WE MESSED UP,
THEN MAYBE HE RELAXES
AND MAKES A MISTAKE.

445
00:20:35,968 --> 00:20:38,938
THAT, OR HE GETS ANGRY
BECAUSE HE THINKS
SOMEONE ELSE

446
00:20:38,971 --> 00:20:40,373
IS STEALING HIS THUNDER.

447
00:20:40,407 --> 00:20:41,974
EITHER WAY,
THE AIM OF THE STRATEGY

448
00:20:42,008 --> 00:20:43,576
IS THE THROW THE KILLER
OFF COURSE.

449
00:20:43,610 --> 00:20:45,678
OTHERWISE, ALL WE'RE DOING
IS REACTING TO HIM,

450
00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:48,047
AND WE NEEDED HIM
TO REACT TO US.

451
00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:50,717
LORD KNOWS I LOVE HIM,
BUT HERE'S TO A NIGHT
WITHOUT HIM.

452
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:52,819
HUSBANDS, TOO.
TO THE KIDS.

453
00:20:52,852 --> 00:20:54,287
OK, FINE, HAVE IT YOUR WAY.

454
00:20:54,321 --> 00:20:56,489
WE'RE TOO OLD FOR THIS.

455
00:20:56,523 --> 00:20:57,490
SPEAK FOR YOURSELF.

456
00:20:57,524 --> 00:21:02,495
OK, LADIES, BOTTOMS UP,
LICK, DRINK, SUCK. YEAH?

457
00:21:03,996 --> 00:21:05,298
MM!

458
00:21:05,332 --> 00:21:06,633
WHOO-HOO!
HA HA!

459
00:21:06,666 --> 00:21:09,969
SHE'S WHOO-HOOING, YOU KNOW
WE'RE IN FOR A LONG NIGHT.

460
00:21:10,002 --> 00:21:10,937
[LAUGHING]

461
00:21:10,970 --> 00:21:11,971
WE NEED SOME MORE WATER.

462
00:21:12,004 --> 00:21:14,807
WE SHOULD GET ANOTHER ROUND.

463
00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:16,042
[LAUGHING]

464
00:21:16,075 --> 00:21:17,677
YOU'RE INSANE.

465
00:21:17,710 --> 00:21:19,912
[INDISTINCT CHATTER]

466
00:21:19,946 --> 00:21:22,048
[LAUGHING]

467
00:21:22,081 --> 00:21:25,318
PLAY DATE TOMORROW?
MEET ME AT THE PARK?

468
00:21:25,352 --> 00:21:27,854
CAN'T. SOCCER GAME
AND BIRTHDAY PARTY.
SUNDAY?

469
00:21:27,887 --> 00:21:28,688
OK.
SURE.

470
00:21:28,721 --> 00:21:29,989
YOU ALL RIGHT TO DRIVE?

471
00:21:30,022 --> 00:21:31,057
THAT DRINK WAS WHAT,

472
00:21:31,090 --> 00:21:32,792
TWO HOURS AND
A BIG DINNER AGO.

473
00:21:32,825 --> 00:21:35,428
I'M FINE. GO.
ARE YOU SURE?

474
00:21:35,462 --> 00:21:36,463
BYE, SWEETIE.

475
00:21:36,496 --> 00:21:37,063
BYE, GIRLS.

476
00:21:37,096 --> 00:21:38,565
I'LL TALK TO YOU SOON, OK?

477
00:21:38,598 --> 00:21:39,732
OK.
YES.

478
00:21:39,766 --> 00:21:42,001
GOOD NIGHT.

479
00:21:42,669 --> 00:21:45,672
HEY, HONEY.
I'M ON THE WAY HOME.

480
00:21:45,705 --> 00:21:47,006
HOW ARE THE BOYS?

481
00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:47,840
[CHUCKLES]

482
00:21:47,874 --> 00:21:51,077
OH, IT WAS FUN.
EVERYONE SAYS HI. OK.

483
00:21:51,110 --> 00:21:53,446
LOVE YOU, TOO.

484
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,749
BYE.

485
00:21:57,116 --> 00:21:58,918
[CAR ALARM BEEPS]

486
00:22:00,387 --> 00:22:02,655
[MUFFLED SCREAM]

487
00:22:12,732 --> 00:22:15,001
HE'S BEEN MOVING SOUTH
THIS WHOLE TIME.

488
00:22:15,034 --> 00:22:18,571
HE COULD HAVE GONE EAST
OR BOUNCED BACK UP NORTH,

489
00:22:18,605 --> 00:22:19,906
BUT NO, ALWAYS SOUTH.

490
00:22:19,939 --> 00:22:21,374
ALMOST LIKE
HE'S RUNNING
FROM SOMETHING.

491
00:22:21,408 --> 00:22:22,375
WELL, HE'S RUNNING FROM US.

492
00:22:22,409 --> 00:22:24,977
BUT WHY GO BACK HOME NOW,
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS?

493
00:22:25,011 --> 00:22:26,646
SOMETHING BROUGHT HIM BACK.

494
00:22:26,679 --> 00:22:28,548
ROCHELLE JENKINS
WAS IN HER 40s,

495
00:22:28,581 --> 00:22:29,449
SO WE CAN ASSUME
HE IS, TOO.

496
00:22:29,482 --> 00:22:32,452
OK, SO WHY DO PEOPLE
COME HOME AT THAT AGE?

497
00:22:32,485 --> 00:22:35,588
FAMILY, SPECIAL OCCASIONS,
FUNERAL.

498
00:22:35,622 --> 00:22:36,556
WAIT A MINUTE.

499
00:22:36,589 --> 00:22:38,425
YOU GUYS HAVE YOUR OWN JET?

500
00:22:38,458 --> 00:22:41,861
YES, ZIMMERMAN,
AS A MATTER OF FACT,
WE DO.

501
00:22:41,894 --> 00:22:42,729
[MURMURING]

502
00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:43,896
SHOW THEM, PENELOPE.

503
00:22:43,930 --> 00:22:45,665
ONE SECOND...

504
00:22:45,698 --> 00:22:47,033
OK. THERE YOU GO.

505
00:22:47,066 --> 00:22:49,035
Students: OOH...
PRETTY SWEET, HUH?

506
00:22:49,068 --> 00:22:49,969
YEAH.

507
00:22:50,002 --> 00:22:50,970
[LAUGHTER]

508
00:22:51,003 --> 00:22:54,140
HEY, GUYS, A MISSING PERSONS
REPORT JUST CAME IN.

509
00:22:54,173 --> 00:22:55,975
42 YEARS OLD, GRACE POWELL,
MOTHER OF TWO,

510
00:22:56,008 --> 00:22:57,877
WENT OUT FOR GIRLS NIGHT,
NEVER CAME HOME.

511
00:22:57,910 --> 00:22:59,412
THAT'S GOTTA BE HIM.

512
00:22:59,446 --> 00:23:02,114
GARCIA, WHERE DID HE
TAKE HER FROM?

513
00:23:02,148 --> 00:23:02,882
UM...

514
00:23:02,915 --> 00:23:05,618
I RECOGNIZED THE PLACE
IMMEDIATELY.

515
00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:08,688
IT WAS HARD TO FORGET.

516
00:23:08,721 --> 00:23:12,925
THIS IS WHERE HE TOOK
TINA DYSON FROM IN '92.

517
00:23:12,959 --> 00:23:14,961
THIS RESTAURANT
WAS A DIVE BAR.

518
00:23:14,994 --> 00:23:17,096
A DIVE BAR?
IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD?

519
00:23:17,129 --> 00:23:18,631
THINGS WERE DIFFERENT THEN.

520
00:23:18,665 --> 00:23:19,899
HE DIDN'T
JUST COME BACK HOME.

521
00:23:19,932 --> 00:23:21,768
HE RETURNED
TO THE EXACT SAME SPOT.

522
00:23:21,801 --> 00:23:24,737
BUT WHY HERE? WHAT IS IT
ABOUT THIS PLACE?

523
00:23:24,771 --> 00:23:27,640
IT'S WHERE HE GRABBED
ONE OF HIS FIRST KILLS.

524
00:23:27,674 --> 00:23:29,642
THE FIRST ONES
ARE ALWAYS SIGNIFICANT.

525
00:23:29,676 --> 00:23:31,744
AND THIS IS WHERE
MY PARTICULAR SKILL SET
COMES IN HANDY.

526
00:23:31,778 --> 00:23:36,683
SEE, I AM LIKE ONE OF
THOSE WONDERFUL PEOPLE
IN PRISON MOVIES

527
00:23:36,716 --> 00:23:37,717
THAT CAN GET YOU
ANYTHING YOU NEED.

528
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:40,052
AND WE NEEDED TO KNOW
EVERYTHING THERE WAS TO KNOW

529
00:23:40,086 --> 00:23:42,121
ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR
PART OF THE CITY.

530
00:23:42,154 --> 00:23:43,490
SO I WENT HONEY BADGER.

531
00:23:43,523 --> 00:23:46,459
I DUG UP POLICE REPORTS,
NEWS ARTICLES,

532
00:23:46,493 --> 00:23:47,627
PARKING TICKETS, EVEN.

533
00:23:47,660 --> 00:23:50,663
IF ANYTHING WENT DOWN
IN THAT AREA
IN THE LAST 40 YEARS,

534
00:23:50,697 --> 00:23:51,864
I KNEW ABOUT IT.

535
00:23:51,898 --> 00:23:52,999
AND I FOUND ZIP.

536
00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:54,601
ZERO. STINGY WITH DINERO.

537
00:23:54,634 --> 00:23:56,736
COUPLE OF FENDER-BENDERS.
A BAR FIGHT.

538
00:23:56,769 --> 00:23:59,506
THERE WAS A HOMELESS GUY
WHO WAS INTO MOONING PEOPLE,

539
00:23:59,539 --> 00:24:01,173
BUT NO LIFE-CHANGERS.

540
00:24:01,207 --> 00:24:04,544
SO I EXTENDED MY SEARCH
ANOTHER 10 YEARS

541
00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:06,579
AND I FOUND THIS.

542
00:24:06,913 --> 00:24:10,750
THIS IS A POLICE REPORT
FROM 1966,

543
00:24:10,783 --> 00:24:13,219
WHERE A 16-YEAR-OLD GIRL
WAS FOUND RAPED

544
00:24:13,252 --> 00:24:15,688
IN A PARKED CAR
ON THAT STREET.

545
00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:16,556
BUT SHE WAS A MINOR,

546
00:24:16,589 --> 00:24:17,690
SO HER NAME WASN'T
LISTED ON THE REPORT.

547
00:24:17,724 --> 00:24:20,593
WELL, WHAT'S THIS GIRL
GOT TO DO
WITH A SERIAL KILLER?

548
00:24:20,627 --> 00:24:23,563
PUMP YOUR BRAKES, SWEETCAKES,
'CAUSE I'M BRINGING IT HOME.

549
00:24:23,596 --> 00:24:25,832
IT TURNS OUT THAT JANE DOE,
INSTEAD OF GIVEN A NAME,

550
00:24:25,865 --> 00:24:27,800
SHE WAS GIVEN A PATIENT NUMBER.

551
00:24:27,834 --> 00:24:28,868
SO I TRACKED THAT NUMBER,

552
00:24:28,901 --> 00:24:31,704
AND IT TURNED OUT THAT
SHE WENT BACK TO THAT HOSPITAL

553
00:24:31,738 --> 00:24:34,574
SEVERAL TIMES AFTER...

554
00:24:34,607 --> 00:24:35,875
FOR PRENATAL CARE.

555
00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:38,745
AND SHE EVENTUALLY
BROUGHT THAT BABY TO TERM.

556
00:24:38,778 --> 00:24:44,183
[SCREAMING]

557
00:24:45,151 --> 00:24:48,788
AAH!

558
00:24:48,821 --> 00:24:51,190
Rossi: SHE HEMORRHAGED BADLY
DURING CHILDBIRTH,

559
00:24:51,223 --> 00:24:54,193
AND DURING HER EMERGENCY
HYSTERECTOMY

560
00:24:54,226 --> 00:24:56,696
SHE DIED.

561
00:24:56,729 --> 00:24:58,898
IT WAS AT THAT POINT
THAT I WAS ABLE TO FIND

562
00:24:58,931 --> 00:25:00,967
THE CORRESPONDING
DEATH CERTIFICATE

563
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,769
AND GET HER NAME.

564
00:25:02,802 --> 00:25:04,236
GEORGINA YATES.

565
00:25:04,270 --> 00:25:06,105
HER SON THOMAS YATES SURVIVED.

566
00:25:06,138 --> 00:25:08,641
HE WAS PUT INTO THE CUSTODY
OF HIS GRANDPARENTS

567
00:25:08,675 --> 00:25:11,277
TRUDY AND ROY YATES,
GEORGINA'S PARENTS.

568
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:16,115
WHEN WE STARTED
LOOKING AT THOMAS...

569
00:25:16,148 --> 00:25:17,183
WE KNEW.

570
00:25:17,216 --> 00:25:19,051
Garcia: GROWING UP, HE GOT
KICKED OUT OF TWO SCHOOLS,

571
00:25:19,085 --> 00:25:21,287
BOTH TIMES FOR STARTING FIRES.

572
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,022
FIRE-STARTING
IS THE FIRST PART

573
00:25:23,055 --> 00:25:25,291
OF WHAT WE USED TO CALL
THE HOMICIDAL TRIAD.

574
00:25:25,324 --> 00:25:28,795
THE OTHER TWO PARTS
ARE BEDWETTING
AND CRUELTY TO ANIMALS.

575
00:25:28,828 --> 00:25:31,263
HE WAS ALSO IN THE EMERGENCY
ROOM A LOT AS A KID.

576
00:25:31,297 --> 00:25:34,300
HE HAD A BROKEN ARM, BURNS,
HE BROKE A RIB ONCE.

577
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:37,904
SO HE WAS EITHER
VERY CLUMSY
OR HE WAS BEING BEATEN.

578
00:25:37,937 --> 00:25:40,907
THEN WHEN HE WAS 15,
HE COMMITTED HIS FIRST MURDER.

579
00:25:40,940 --> 00:25:45,978
HE WAS A SKINNY KID WHO SNAPPED
AND STABBED A BULLY AT SCHOOL.

580
00:25:46,012 --> 00:25:49,682
[GRUNTING]

581
00:25:51,851 --> 00:25:54,186
HE WAS CONVICTED,
SERVED 3 YEARS IN JUVEY,

582
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:57,890
ANOTHER 7 IN PRISON,
AND THEN HE WAS
RELEASED ON PAROLE.

583
00:25:57,924 --> 00:25:59,325
BUT WHEN
HE WAS ON THE INSIDE,

584
00:25:59,358 --> 00:26:01,193
HE SPILLED HIS GUTS
TO THE PRISON SHRINK.

585
00:26:01,227 --> 00:26:04,096
HE TALKED ABOUT
HOW HIS GRANDMOTHER
WOULD STARVE HIM

586
00:26:04,130 --> 00:26:05,798
AND MAKE HIM SLEEP
IN THE DOG HOUSE.

587
00:26:05,832 --> 00:26:07,834
HOW SHE WOULD
BEAT HIM SENSELESS...

588
00:26:07,867 --> 00:26:08,701
I WISH YOU WERE NEVER BORN!

589
00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,837
AND SIT ON HIM
UNTIL HE COULDN'T BREATHE.

590
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:11,871
YOU'RE A CURSE!

591
00:26:11,904 --> 00:26:13,105
I HATE YOU!

592
00:26:13,139 --> 00:26:14,941
AND YOU ACTUALLY
BELIEVED THIS GUY?

593
00:26:14,974 --> 00:26:17,243
THE PRISON PSYCHIATRIST
CONCLUDED THAT THOMAS

594
00:26:17,276 --> 00:26:19,278
[CELL PHONE VIBRATES]
WAS TELLING THE TRUTH.

595
00:26:19,311 --> 00:26:20,813
HIS CHILDHOOD
MEDICAL RECORDS

596
00:26:20,847 --> 00:26:22,949
ALSO CORROBORATED
THIS STORY.

597
00:26:22,982 --> 00:26:24,817
AND AT THAT POINT
WE REALIZED
IT WASN'T THE MOTHER

598
00:26:24,851 --> 00:26:26,919
BUT THE GRANDMOTHER
WHO WAS THE OBJECT
OF HIS RAGE.

599
00:26:26,953 --> 00:26:29,121
Woman: I HAVE SENATOR
HENDRICKS ON THE LINE.

600
00:26:29,155 --> 00:26:31,190
THEN I FIND OUT
HIS GRANDFATHER HAD JUST DIED,

601
00:26:31,223 --> 00:26:32,959
AND HIS GRANDMOTHER
HAD LUNG CANCER

602
00:26:32,992 --> 00:26:36,796
AND SHE HAD JUST BEEN
ADMITTED INTO HOSPICE CARE.

603
00:26:36,829 --> 00:26:42,702
AND THAT IS WHAT
BROUGHT THOMAS HOME.

604
00:26:50,242 --> 00:26:54,246
EXCUSE ME, UH,
MRS. TRUDY YATES?

605
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,514
WHO ARE YOU?

606
00:26:55,547 --> 00:26:57,984
I'M AGENT PRENTISS.
THIS IS AGENT JAREAU.
WE'RE WITH THE FBI.

607
00:26:58,017 --> 00:27:00,419
FBI? YOU GOT
THE RIGHT TRUDY YATES?

608
00:27:00,452 --> 00:27:03,055
YES, I'M PRETTY SURE
WE DO, MA'AM.

609
00:27:03,089 --> 00:27:05,091
YOU'RE THOMAS' GRANDMOTHER,
RIGHT?

610
00:27:05,124 --> 00:27:06,025
WHAT ABOUT IT?

611
00:27:06,058 --> 00:27:07,293
WE'RE LOOKING FOR HIM.

612
00:27:07,326 --> 00:27:10,096
TOMMY? HE IN TROUBLE?

613
00:27:10,129 --> 00:27:12,331
WHAT'D HE DO THIS TIME?

614
00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:14,033
DO YOU KNOW WHERE HE IS?

615
00:27:14,066 --> 00:27:14,801
NO IDEA.

616
00:27:14,834 --> 00:27:17,103
WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME
YOU SAW HIM?

617
00:27:17,136 --> 00:27:19,972
THE DAY HE PUT ME
IN THIS DAMN PLACE.

618
00:27:20,006 --> 00:27:22,875
MY DAUGHTER'S WOMB
WAS CURSED.

619
00:27:22,909 --> 00:27:25,945
THAT BOY WAS A BASTARD
BORN IN SIN.

620
00:27:25,978 --> 00:27:29,415
NOTHING GOOD
COMES OUT OF SIN.

621
00:27:32,084 --> 00:27:33,452
THIS IS ALL WE HAVE.

622
00:27:33,485 --> 00:27:36,222
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
PLEASE GIVE US A CALL
IF YOU THINK OF ANYTHING ELSE.

623
00:27:36,255 --> 00:27:37,356
WILL DO.

624
00:27:37,389 --> 00:27:39,258
THANK YOU.

625
00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:44,931
[RING]

626
00:27:44,964 --> 00:27:46,165
BABY, WHAT CAN I DO YOU FOR?

627
00:27:46,198 --> 00:27:48,467
HEY, MAMA, I NEED YOU
TO RUN A NUMBER.

628
00:27:48,500 --> 00:27:51,003
206-555-0112.

629
00:27:51,037 --> 00:27:54,807
OKEY-DOKEY. IT IS
A PREPAID CELL PHONE,
HASN'T BEEN USED IN DAYS.

630
00:27:54,841 --> 00:27:56,075
AND WHAT ABOUT THIS ADDRESS?

631
00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:58,945
2334 DAWSON STREET,
UNIT K.

632
00:27:58,978 --> 00:28:02,148
HOLD YOURSELF, PLEASE.

633
00:28:04,016 --> 00:28:09,722
UNIT K? HE NEEDS TO BE
MORE ISOLATED
THAN AN APARTMENT.

634
00:28:09,756 --> 00:28:11,157
IT WAS A STORAGE CONTAINER.

635
00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:15,795
THE SAME STORAGE CONTAINER
WHERE HIS GRANDMOTHER'S
STUFF WAS BEING HELD.

636
00:28:33,545 --> 00:28:35,815
YOU SMELL THAT?

637
00:28:35,848 --> 00:28:38,951
IT'S COFFEE.

638
00:28:39,986 --> 00:28:42,454
FBI!

639
00:28:42,488 --> 00:28:44,456
DROP IT.

640
00:28:47,093 --> 00:28:50,096
THOMAS YATES,
YOU'RE UNDER ARREST.

641
00:28:53,900 --> 00:28:56,002
SHE'S STILL GOT A PULSE.

642
00:28:56,035 --> 00:28:58,771
CALLING AN AMBULANCE.

643
00:28:58,805 --> 00:28:59,906
AGENT ROSSI.

644
00:28:59,939 --> 00:29:04,811
NICE TO MEET YOU
AFTER ALL THESE YEARS.

645
00:29:09,448 --> 00:29:10,917
WE GOT GRACE POWELL
TO THE HOSPITAL IN TIME

646
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:11,984
AND THEY SAVED HER LIFE.

647
00:29:12,018 --> 00:29:12,852
THOUGH I'M NOT SURE

648
00:29:12,885 --> 00:29:15,521
HER PSYCHOLOGICAL WOUNDS
WILL EVER HEAL.

649
00:29:15,554 --> 00:29:17,824
HOW COME I'VE NEVER
HEARD OF THIS GUY?

650
00:29:17,857 --> 00:29:20,860
HAVE YOU EVER HEARD
OF EFREN SALDIVAR?

651
00:29:20,893 --> 00:29:21,828
NO.

652
00:29:21,861 --> 00:29:23,395
DAVID PARKER RAY.

653
00:29:23,429 --> 00:29:25,832
HOW ABOUT
JOHN EDWARD ROBINSON?

654
00:29:25,865 --> 00:29:30,036
SEE, AT ANY GIVEN TIME,
WE HAVE AT LEAST
25 OPEN CASES.

655
00:29:30,069 --> 00:29:32,571
EVERY YEAR WE'RE ABLE
TO CLOSE AROUND 15,

656
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,874
YET NEW ONES
STILL SEEM TO POP UP.

657
00:29:34,907 --> 00:29:38,544
THERE ARE MORE SERIAL
KILLERS OUT THERE
THAN YOU MAY THINK.

658
00:29:38,577 --> 00:29:41,047
BUT WE FINALLY HAD YATES
IN CUSTODY,

659
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,583
AND WE QUESTIONED HIM
FOR TWO WEEKS STRAIGHT.

660
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:46,886
WE ALL TOOK TURNS.

661
00:29:46,919 --> 00:29:48,554
HE DIDN'T SAY A WORD.

662
00:29:48,587 --> 00:29:50,322
NEVER ASKED FOR
A BATHROOM BREAK,

663
00:29:50,356 --> 00:29:51,958
GLASS OF WATER, NOTHING.

664
00:29:51,991 --> 00:29:54,193
I THOUGHT GIVEN HIS M.O.,
BEING FEMALE,

665
00:29:54,226 --> 00:29:57,596
I MIGHT BE ABLE
TO STRIKE A NERVE,
GET HIM TO OPEN UP,

666
00:29:57,629 --> 00:30:00,599
BUT HE JUST SAT THERE,
FOR HOURS.

667
00:30:00,632 --> 00:30:03,069
STAYING ABSOLUTELY SILENT
UNDER THAT KIND OF PRESSURE

668
00:30:03,102 --> 00:30:05,938
WAS A SKILL HE UNDOUBTEDLY
LEARNED AS A CHILD.

669
00:30:05,972 --> 00:30:07,439
HE WAS RENDERED SILENT
FOR SO LONG,

670
00:30:07,473 --> 00:30:09,275
IT BECAME
A CONDITIONED RESPONSE.

671
00:30:09,308 --> 00:30:11,510
BUT WE HAD HIM
SAFELY IN CUSTODY.

672
00:30:11,543 --> 00:30:12,744
AND WE HAD OTHER
CASES TO SOLVE.

673
00:30:12,778 --> 00:30:16,615
EVENTUALLY YATES WAS
TRIED AND HE RECEIVED
THE DEATH PENALTY.

674
00:30:16,648 --> 00:30:18,584
AND LIFE WENT ON.

675
00:30:18,617 --> 00:30:22,521
THEN TWO YEARS AGO TODAY...

676
00:30:22,554 --> 00:30:23,923
I GOT A CALL.

677
00:30:23,956 --> 00:30:27,626
[CELL PHONE RINGS]

678
00:30:27,659 --> 00:30:28,527
ROSSI.

679
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,063
Recording:
YOU HAVE A CALL
FROM AN INMATE

680
00:30:31,097 --> 00:30:32,531
IN A CORRECTIONAL
FACILITY.

681
00:30:32,564 --> 00:30:34,633
INMATE,
STATE YOUR NAME.

682
00:30:34,666 --> 00:30:36,302
IT'S TOMMY YATES.

683
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:38,604
THIS CALL
MAY BE MONITORED
AND RECORDED.

684
00:30:38,637 --> 00:30:40,639
PRESS 2 IF YOU
ACCEPT THE CHARGES.

685
00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:41,707
IF NOT, HANG UP.

686
00:30:41,740 --> 00:30:44,543
HE CALLED YOU PERSONALLY?
HOW'D HE GET YOUR NUMBER?

687
00:30:44,576 --> 00:30:46,278
PROBABLY
FROM HIS ATTORNEY.

688
00:30:46,312 --> 00:30:47,413
WHAT DID HE WANT?

689
00:30:47,446 --> 00:30:48,614
HE WANTED TO MAKE A DEAL,

690
00:30:48,647 --> 00:30:52,418
AND I WAS THE ONLY ONE
HE WOULD MAKE IT WITH.

691
00:31:06,966 --> 00:31:10,202
CAN WE BE ALONE, PLEASE?

692
00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:21,113
[DOOR CLOSES]

693
00:31:22,714 --> 00:31:24,116
WHAT DO YOU WANT?

694
00:31:24,150 --> 00:31:25,617
NICE TO SEE YOU, TOO.

695
00:31:25,651 --> 00:31:27,954
WHY AM I HERE, YATES?

696
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:29,188
I TOLD YOU.

697
00:31:29,221 --> 00:31:31,991
I WANT TO MAKE A DEAL.

698
00:31:32,959 --> 00:31:34,393
YOU'RE ON DEATH ROW,

699
00:31:34,426 --> 00:31:39,898
NOT EXACTLY A STRONG
NEGOTIATING POSITION.

700
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:44,236
I'VE GOT SOMETHING
FOR YOU.

701
00:31:44,270 --> 00:31:46,438
IT'S A PRESENT.

702
00:31:46,472 --> 00:31:48,140
OPEN IT.

703
00:31:48,174 --> 00:31:49,341
WHAT IS IT?

704
00:31:49,375 --> 00:31:52,111
OPEN IT AND SEE.

705
00:31:54,646 --> 00:31:57,984
YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE.

706
00:32:01,187 --> 00:32:03,355
SURPRISE.

707
00:32:03,389 --> 00:32:06,425
THOSE ARE SOME
OF THE GIRLS I TOOK.

708
00:32:06,458 --> 00:32:10,229
THE ONES
YOU DIDN'T FIND.

709
00:32:10,262 --> 00:32:13,499
THERE'S 40 THERE.

710
00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:18,437
WHY SHOULD I BELIEVE YOU?

711
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:20,606
I THOUGHT
YOU MIGHT ASK THAT.

712
00:32:20,639 --> 00:32:22,741
IT'S ALL
PART OF THE DEAL.

713
00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:24,743
LOOK, LET'S GET
SOMETHING STRAIGHT.

714
00:32:24,776 --> 00:32:26,245
THERE IS NO DEAL.

715
00:32:26,278 --> 00:32:27,213
NOT YET.

716
00:32:27,246 --> 00:32:28,547
NOT EVER.

717
00:32:28,580 --> 00:32:32,051
THERE'S ACTUALLY
101 NAMES.

718
00:32:32,084 --> 00:32:34,486
AND I REMEMBER
ALL OF THEM.

719
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:38,090
AND I'LL TELL YOU
WHERE I PUT THEM.

720
00:32:38,124 --> 00:32:40,426
HERE'S WHAT I WANT.

721
00:32:40,459 --> 00:32:43,029
ONE--NO DEATH PENALTY.

722
00:32:43,062 --> 00:32:45,231
I DON'T CARE
IF I ROT IN HERE.

723
00:32:45,264 --> 00:32:47,733
BUT NO CHAIR
AND NO INJECTIONS.

724
00:32:47,766 --> 00:32:51,237
2--I WANT A TRANSFER
TO THE EAST COAST.

725
00:32:51,270 --> 00:32:54,306
GRANDMA'S DEAD.
NOTHING HOLDING ME HERE.

726
00:32:54,340 --> 00:33:00,112
PLUS, I LIKE THE IDEA
OF SNOW IN THE WINTER.

727
00:33:00,146 --> 00:33:01,547
NEVER REALLY HAD THAT
GROWING UP.

728
00:33:01,580 --> 00:33:06,318
I DIDN'T COME ALL THIS WAY
TO GET SMOKE BLOWN UP MY ASS.

729
00:33:06,352 --> 00:33:09,055
AFTER I GET MY SENTENCE
COMMUTED

730
00:33:09,088 --> 00:33:10,256
AND MY TRANSFER,

731
00:33:10,289 --> 00:33:12,191
I'LL GIVE YOU MORE NAMES.

732
00:33:12,224 --> 00:33:14,326
BUT ONLY ONE EACH YEAR.

733
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,163
TO KEEP YOU HONEST.

734
00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:19,465
YOU UNDERSTAND.

735
00:33:20,599 --> 00:33:22,201
ANYTHING ELSE?

736
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,502
YES.

737
00:33:23,535 --> 00:33:27,106
I GET TO DECIDE
WHEN YOU GET THE NAME.

738
00:33:27,139 --> 00:33:30,542
IT'LL BE ON A SPECIAL DAY
OF MY CHOOSING.

739
00:33:30,576 --> 00:33:36,382
AND YOU HAVE TO COME
AND GET IT FROM ME
PERSONALLY.

740
00:33:36,415 --> 00:33:39,218
WHAT DO YOU SAY, AGENT?

741
00:33:39,251 --> 00:33:42,288
HMM?

742
00:33:42,321 --> 00:33:44,556
DEAL?

743
00:33:47,526 --> 00:33:49,061
WE CHECKED THE LIST
HE GAVE US,

744
00:33:49,095 --> 00:33:50,529
AND THEN WE WENT OUT
TO THE LOCATIONS

745
00:33:50,562 --> 00:33:52,798
WHERE HE SAID
HE'D DUMPED THE BODIES,

746
00:33:52,831 --> 00:33:54,566
AND WE FOUND ALL 40.

747
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,270
DID YOU ACTUALLY
MAKE A DEAL
WITH THAT MANIAC?

748
00:33:58,304 --> 00:33:59,805
WE DID.

749
00:33:59,838 --> 00:34:00,872
NOT TO BEND TO HIS WILL,

750
00:34:00,906 --> 00:34:04,510
BUT TO BRING THE FAMILIES
OF THE VICTIMS SOME PEACE.

751
00:34:04,543 --> 00:34:07,146
I'D BEEN ON THE CASE
SO LONG, I FELT OBLIGATED

752
00:34:07,179 --> 00:34:10,416
TO CONTACT EACH
OF THE FAMILIES PERSONALLY.

753
00:34:10,449 --> 00:34:12,418
MRS. RUTH THOMAS?

754
00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:17,656
I'M AGENT DAVID ROSSI
FROM THE FBI.

755
00:34:17,689 --> 00:34:22,128
I HAVE SOME INFORMATION
ABOUT YOUR DAUGHTER SARAH.

756
00:34:22,161 --> 00:34:27,166
I'M AFRAID I'VE GOT
BAD NEWS ABOUT JESSICA...

757
00:34:30,402 --> 00:34:35,107
WE FOUND CHLOE
TWO DAYS AGO IN GRIFFITH PARK.

758
00:34:35,141 --> 00:34:36,808
[SOBS]

759
00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:42,114
I CAN'T TELL YOU
HOW SORRY I AM FOR YOUR LOSS.

760
00:34:47,353 --> 00:34:51,890
IF I CAN DO ANYTHING,
ANYTHING AT ALL,

761
00:34:51,923 --> 00:34:55,594
PLEASE DON'T HESITATE.

762
00:35:21,253 --> 00:35:26,792
DOES IT EVER GET HARD
DEALING WITH
ALL THAT TRAGEDY?

763
00:35:29,195 --> 00:35:30,196
YOU KNOW, IT'S FUNNY.

764
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:33,299
SOME CASES, THEY END WELL,
SO YOU CAN FORGET THEM.

765
00:35:33,332 --> 00:35:35,734
AND SOME, LIKE THIS ONE...

766
00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:38,404
THEY BECOME A PART OF YOU.

767
00:35:38,437 --> 00:35:40,439
DEAD KIDS.

768
00:35:40,472 --> 00:35:42,208
MUTILATED BODIES.

769
00:35:42,241 --> 00:35:43,775
IT'S ALL SO HORRIBLE.

770
00:35:43,809 --> 00:35:46,144
HOW DO YOU DO IT?

771
00:35:47,946 --> 00:35:52,351
IRISH STATESMAN AND AUTHOR
EDMUND BURKE ONCE WROTE,

772
00:35:52,384 --> 00:35:55,821
"THE ONLY THING NECESSARY
FOR THE TRIUMPH OF EVIL

773
00:35:55,854 --> 00:35:59,591
IS FOR GOOD MEN
TO DO NOTHING."

774
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:03,295
THIS JOB ISN'T
JUST WHAT I DO,

775
00:36:03,329 --> 00:36:04,963
IT'S WHO I AM.

776
00:36:04,996 --> 00:36:06,865
IS IT WORTH IT?

777
00:36:06,898 --> 00:36:09,835
FOR EVERY LIFE WE SAVE?

778
00:36:09,868 --> 00:36:11,503
DAMN RIGHT IT IS.

779
00:36:11,537 --> 00:36:12,871
ABSOLUTELY IT'S WORTH IT.

780
00:36:12,904 --> 00:36:16,608
I CAN'T IMAGINE
DOING ANYTHING ELSE.

781
00:36:19,278 --> 00:36:20,178
YES, MR. ZIMMERMAN.

782
00:36:20,212 --> 00:36:24,550
SO, YOU HAVE TO GO VISIT
THIS GUY EVERY YEAR

783
00:36:24,583 --> 00:36:27,219
TO GET THE NAME
OF ANOTHER VICTIM.

784
00:36:27,253 --> 00:36:28,387
THAT'S RIGHT.

785
00:36:28,420 --> 00:36:31,590
SO WHAT WAS THE SPECIAL DAY
OF HIS CHOOSING?

786
00:36:35,427 --> 00:36:37,829
YOU REALLY DON'T WANT US
TO GO WITH YOU?

787
00:36:37,863 --> 00:36:38,964
IT'S NO TROUBLE AT ALL.

788
00:36:38,997 --> 00:36:39,665
NO, IT'S OK.

789
00:36:39,698 --> 00:36:40,932
ROSSI, IT'S LIKE
2 HOURS AWAY.

790
00:36:40,966 --> 00:36:44,436
COME ON, I CAN DRIVE.
I'LL GET US THERE
IN LESS THAN AN HOUR.

791
00:36:44,470 --> 00:36:45,304
I'M GOOD, REALLY.

792
00:36:45,337 --> 00:36:47,639
WE COULD STOP FOR DINNER
ON THE WAY HOME.

793
00:36:47,673 --> 00:36:48,274
STOP.

794
00:36:48,307 --> 00:36:50,509
ALL OF YOU.
I'LL BE FINE.

795
00:36:50,542 --> 00:36:53,512
WE'LL SEE YOU
TOMORROW.

796
00:36:53,545 --> 00:36:55,847
YOU BET.

797
00:36:58,284 --> 00:37:00,452
OHH, IS HE GONNA BE OK?

798
00:37:00,486 --> 00:37:02,354
OF COURSE HE IS.

799
00:37:02,388 --> 00:37:05,257
IT'S ROSSI.

800
00:37:48,033 --> 00:37:49,435
AGENT ROSSI.

801
00:37:49,468 --> 00:37:53,305
I CAN'T BELIEVE
IT'S BEEN A YEAR ALREADY.

802
00:37:53,339 --> 00:37:56,408
TIME FLIES.

803
00:37:57,409 --> 00:37:59,978
MAN, YOU MUST HAVE
SOME SERIOUS JUICE.

804
00:38:00,011 --> 00:38:03,515
THOUGHT FOR SURE
WE WERE GONNA
HAVE TO CANCEL.

805
00:38:03,549 --> 00:38:06,485
RIOT IN THE YARD,
TIGHT-ASS WARDEN.

806
00:38:06,518 --> 00:38:11,390
WHOLE PLACE
IS LOCKED DOWN.

807
00:38:11,890 --> 00:38:15,794
ANY PLANS FOR THE BIG DAY?

808
00:38:17,396 --> 00:38:22,534
COME ON. YOU SHOULD GET OUT
AND DO SOMETHING.

809
00:38:22,568 --> 00:38:25,504
NEVER KNOW HOW MANY
OF THESE YOU GOT LEFT.

810
00:38:25,537 --> 00:38:26,638
WHAT'S HER NAME?

811
00:38:26,672 --> 00:38:30,576
I USED TO HATE BIRTHDAYS
WHEN I WAS A KID.

812
00:38:30,609 --> 00:38:33,612
THAT'S WHY I LIKE
CELEBRATING YOURS.

813
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:36,882
HER NAME.

814
00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,025
TOOK HER IN EUREKA.

815
00:38:47,058 --> 00:38:51,463
DROVE HER OUT
TO THE HEADWATERS
FOREST PRESERVE

816
00:38:51,497 --> 00:38:54,466
UP ON ELK RIVER ROAD.

817
00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:57,469
100 YARDS SOUTH OF
THE TRAILHEAD,

818
00:38:57,503 --> 00:39:01,407
PUT HER UNDER
A BIG OLD SEQUOIA.

819
00:39:14,620 --> 00:39:15,887
[KNOCKING]

820
00:39:15,921 --> 00:39:19,357
OPEN GATE 241.

821
00:39:20,492 --> 00:39:25,931
[YATES HUMMING "HAPPY BIRTHDAY"]

822
00:39:25,964 --> 00:39:30,569
* HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

823
00:39:30,602 --> 00:39:31,770
[DOOR CLOSES AND LOCKS]

824
00:39:31,803 --> 00:39:37,175
* HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

825
00:39:37,208 --> 00:39:44,483
* HAPPY BIRTHDAY, AGENT ROSSI

826
00:39:44,516 --> 00:39:50,789
* HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO YOU

827
00:39:52,123 --> 00:39:55,694
AND MANY MORE.

828
00:40:17,516 --> 00:40:21,119
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